Forum:His Honorable Tyranny = Ogre?

I just had another idea as to HHT's origins - doesn't he look a little bit like an Ogre? And from what we've seen so far, Ogres also have black blood.

So what if - this is a bit of a silly idea, but - what if Grub Meenah (or just as easily Grub Kurloz) took a Crabdad-prototyped Ogre with her on her meteor? I've always though the HHT ==> Karkat / Crabdad similarities have been uncanny, and this would explain quite a bit of it.

So then Grub Meenah in the pre-Scratch grows up to be )(IC and instates this creature that has been with her since her 'birth' as the lawkeeper because she likes seeing chaos - or, of course, Grub Kurloz grows up to be GHB and instates it as the lawkeeper because he's just chaotic.

And what are the pre-Scratch consequences of this? There's no HHT keeping the law! HHT arrived with a wriggler who hasn't been around for nearly as long as the highbloods of her planet, and so the law is just and fair (if Feferi would have even done something like that, or put Gamzee in the sort of position that would enable him to do it himself). I dunno what Meenah would have done with it, though. Probably killed it and taken its boonbucks.

If you wanna go real crazy, you could say that the genes to create Crabdad were somehow obtained by the Cult from HHT, making a stable time loop... but I dunno.

Anyway, just puttin out this crazy idea for you.

JakeMorph (talk) 07:20, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well for starters, your tacked on final note / "crazy idea" would indeed have to be the case, since we know Karkat created all 24 trolls himself in the post-scratch session. Also I'm not sure we saw the Ogres bleed ever? Aepokk Venset 07:56, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * ...what does Karkat's creation of the trolls have to do with it? That's exactly what I'm saying here, a Crabdad-prototyped Ogre could have got onto the asteroid along with the wriggler of Meenah that Karkat created. This doesn't contradict any of that.
 * And as for the Ogre's bleeding; this page shows an Ogre bleeding black fluids. It's the only time I think they've been seen bleeding in any way, as far as I remember.
 * Another thing which might support black blood is that those oil imps on John's leak black fluids everywhere, but I'm not sure if there's any evidence that they also bleed the same stuff.
 * JakeMorph (talk) 08:55, December 17, 2013 (UTC)