User talk:BitterLime/Archive 1

Welcome
Hi, welcome to MS Paint Adventures Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Jade Harley page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Octachoron (Talk) 16:30, January 7, 2011

Thank You.
Thanks for your concern. I will be carefull in the future.

thanks for cleaning up my edits with the underlings, and sorry if i made some pages messy.

-Jack

Jeez im bad at putting pictures where they are supposed to be. sorry!

Thanks for adding the sprites i didnt have for Alterniabound,You're the best!

Jack Blackstone 16:16, March 9, 2011 (UTC) When march break starts i will add to all the flash games.

It's no big deal really, just remember that the pictures should go in a place where:

A: they are next to text that is relevant (like I moved the picture where dave slashes puppets next to the line where it say that they make him nervous)

B: they "look nice", that means that they are preferably spread out through the article and not all in one place, and also that they don't mess up the layout (like the headings, if you are looking for an example the nanna page has this issue at the moment and I just can't seem to fix it ._.)BitterLime 02:14, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

How do you take away a page? I want to delete the page i found.

--Jack


 * That's one of the things I don't know myself. It's possible that only admins and mods can delete sites, to prevent abuse, but I don't know.BitterLime 17:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the jades consorts, my computer was acting up.

Jack Blackstone 03:08, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks :D
Thanks for the help. :DD It sucks that I can't delete the page, though. It's really embarrassing. :/

~Covetousness

No problem. Yeah, I'm relativley sure only admins can delete pages but you can flag pages for deletion by adding a certain category (called marked for deletion or something similar).BitterLime 12:46, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that's most unfortunate. u_u` It's alright, I don't think anyone would notice that page anyways. :'D Thanks again~.

Sprites for [S] Kanaya: Return to the Core.
Hello! Thanks for finding the Kanaya sprite, I had thought of putting them up too, but I just can't seem to find them. Could you please tell me where you found the Kanaya sprite? Thanks :D

Covetousness٭ 15:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I discovered the sprite quite by accident, I was on deviantart and saffronscarf (the person that created most of that sprite) had uploaded it to their deviantart account. I tried to find the others but had no luck, glad you found Karkat, I'll keep looking for the rest.

BitterLime 16:16, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I took the Karkat one down again because I realised that some of his poses were missing. I am now editing each of his poses and animating them, and when I'm done, I'll put them up :) I might be doing the same for the others. Uhm, there isn't a need to do the same for Feferi, is there? Her sprite is the very same one that was used for the [S] Karkat: Wake Up.

Covetousness٭ 18:10, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Derp.
Thanks for deleteing Tyler on the 12 trolls, It was a stupid idea to put him there. :P

Tyler Out.

Promotion
Okay, you are now an administrator. ~ Octachor n  00:28, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll try my best to do a good job.BitterLime 19:28, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Trolls
Inform me about Trolls here and I'll take measures such as banning them and restoring articles.BitterLime 15:42, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the stuff I knew from memory on Equius's page, but there is a bit more. I noticed the Hivebent section on Eridan's page is messed up too."That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die" - Howard Phillips Lovecraft 22:19, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's good! But it is easier if you click "undo". Or, if there have been several edits: click on the drop down menue next to "edit" and select "history". There you can look at all previous versions of the article and revert to a vandalism free version. I fully restored the equius page now I think, also banned the troll causing it.BitterLime 15:42, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry mate
It seems that you had to reedit lot of my edits and I apologize. In the future I will only edit when I am not in a rush and preview my edits before releasing them.

Jack Blackstone 02:34, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

ps: Congrats on becoming an admin!


 * Thanks. And it's okay, but yeah use preview from now on. That should help to avoid mishaps like that.BitterLime 13:20, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ban policy
I don't really blame you for this since we haven't really set up any kind of policy for it, but when you block IP addresses, could you leave "Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" checked? Some of the vandals might have used other people's internet connections and I would like to leave SOME kind of option for anyone who tries to edit the wiki only to find out they've been blocked. Being able to edit their own talk page shouldn't give rise to any problems. Keep up the good work! --Pigbuster 22:14, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, sure thing. I'll leave them that option from now on. Thanks for letting me know.BitterLime 07:15, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hammer name
Vriskafucker is the official fanon name, by consensus of HSG until Homestuck shows us otherwise. By referring to it as unnamed you are leaving out a very vital piece of information. Also, I've seen plenty of other pieces of speculative information here, so there's no reason why this should be excluded unfairly. 69.62.229.176 03:32, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * The mspa wiki is for canon information. The idea of "official fanon" doesn't make much sense, but I get what you mean. I'm glad you are voicing your concerns about unfair treatment, however, the name of the Hammer is neither official nor "a very vital piece of information". As for the other pieces of speculative information, feel free to point them out to me and I'll investigate. Sometimes small amounts of speculation are tolerated because they are marked as speculation.


 * If you are a troll please disregard the above message and just keep doing your thing till you find yourself under the banhammer of zillyhoo, aka Trollfucker. (If you are not a troll disregad this message instead). BitterLime 07:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Brains and Fire
Hi Lime, just like to ask the reason for reverting changes to the 'Land of Brains and Fire' page. It may have been to remove an unneccesary picture, but it's worth noting that you removed some text as well when you did so. Cheers, 16:25, September 30, 2011 (UTC)202.89.189.225


 * Hi Contributor, that edit actually wasn't one of mine. My edit was imediatly before that, and I made the pictures smaller because the page looked odd. Someone else then reverted to an earlier version...I wasn't particular fuzzed, and just thought "oh well" since the difference in content wasn't that big and two pictures were a bit much for that small page. Feel free to readd the content that has been lost.BitterLime 20:40, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you blocking the user who vandalized several pages on this lovely wiki. I was looking up references for Gamzee such as pesterlogs and was devestated to see they had been deleted.All of them. Hopefully we can restore the pages to their former glory. ~Sypher782


 * No problem, The pages will be restored eventually. People are working on it it seems. Usually I would just revert each page to an older version. But people are busy fixing them atm, so I'll just let them do it the old fashioned way. (ALthough I might check later if any content was or is still lost, when I have more time)BitterLime 08:02, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

God Tier sprites
You know these pictures? Are they going to be added to the Dave and Rose pages, or are the just fan made? I'm asking because A) I really don't wanna accidently screw something up by doing it myself, since I've got no idea how, and B) they looked official, well aside from the fact that Rose's has a black background and Dave's hood is supposed to be dark red, not black. Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 22:29, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw them. They are fan-made though. And I'd rather wait for the real deal which we'll get soon enough. The way we handle it is that we only use fan edits if there's little hope of getting the real sprite any time soon, or ever.BitterLime 10:18, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Thank you for explaining. Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 17:05, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

What Measure Is A Character?
Just asking - Cal qualifies, but do the Eldritch Princess or the Distinguished Houseguests... or even the Harlequin Doll? 'Cause I've got a few images lying around of the Doll in its various incarnations (the first generation spriteform, the arms-stuck-on), but if they don't count, then I'll back off, haa haa. Additionally, would it be a good idea to give Jaspers his own box, with his spriteform, deadform, &c? ashdenej  12:28, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Generally I would say they have to be alive or sentient in some way. And the other factor is importance, Cal is treated as a character because of his big role. Imo the eldritch Princess and the Harlequin Doll are relativley unimportant objects, and never even had a sentient phase as sprites. Their respective sprites are well covered on the Nanna and Jaspers pages. And as far as I am aware Jaspers does already have a character box with his different states such as dead, alive and sprite. If you really want to you can give the harlequin doll a charcter box I guess. But with the eldritch princess there is just not much to put into the character box, and it mucks up the page layout because it's so big, and the page relativley small text wise. Hope that helps.BitterLime 12:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

D'oh! I knew I was forgetting something, haha. Yep, Jaspers has his whole sprite-form covered. And I suppose the Harlequin's jibberish doesn't really count as sentient, yeah. Ah, well. Shame! Thanks for the clarification. ashdenej  12:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

...I've got two isolated pictures of the Guests (Mummy and Knight), but the only images of Bluehair and Moosie are from Jade: Enter. Would it be worth it to isolate them, or would they just mess up the page's formatting? Alternatively, should all the secondary Doll pages be merged into one large one, so they can have a single infobox with their variants and more meaty information? ashdenej  14:01, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Do we even have a page for the "house guests"? I can't find one right now. The house guests should definetly share one page, as for the others, I am not sure. The Harlequin doll page is quite big already as it is.BitterLime 15:02, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

We do! Here! And of course the Guests share one, but does the fact that I've got four proper images of all of them merit an infobox? And I suppose that if the Harlequin Doll's page doesn't also mostly apply to the other Dolls - and isn't also a load of garbage - then it shouldn't be merged. Which probably means the Princess should also keep hers, h'm?  ashdenej   16:01, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ah there it is, I thought we had one, but couldn't find it. We'll imo the best solution is to create a gallery at the bottom of the page and add the 4 pictures there. And yeah, i'd say leave the articles unmerged.BitterLime 17:04, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Done and done! It's a shame that Moosie doesn't actually have an appropriate sprite like the others. Instead he is stuck eternally doing the limbo. Maybe I can find one from before Enter, though! Hope springs eternal, and all that. Anywho, thanks! I might make the Harlequin Doll's infobox sometime, too. ashdenej  17:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh....
Please tell me this page is just a gag and not official. Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 22:39, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone can create a page, so yeah, that was vandalism and I deleted it.BitterLime 11:05, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Vandals
...Are starting to drive me up the wall!! Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 02:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * As a owner of your own wiki you should realize that that's exactly what they want. Don't you know that you shouldn't feed the trolls? I strongly recommend reading this article: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog%3AMeighan%2FWiki_Wisdom%3A_Reacting_to_Trolls_and_Vandalism. Please refrain from feeding the trolls. Instead point them out to me and I can bann them.BitterLime 11:05, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Keeping watch over the Recent Activity page me find 'em. I'll try my best. Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 01:43, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ragripper
Thank you for finding that out about the Demonbane Ragripper. Its guys like this that make me wish Hussie didn't have an Art Team. Loverdesang 13:08, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I imediatly remmbered, even the exact location of the chest. So I was able check very easiely (Is that sad or what? :B). I have respect for anyone on the art team, but yeah that tumbler post was uncalled for.BitterLime 13:21, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Its not sad, I'm way too obsessed with this webcomic as well. Oh, hey can you add Jane and Jake to the drop down bar up top where it says 'kids'? I think it would be pretty convienent. Loverdesang 13:28, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The sad thing is
It was Andrew. (the question/answer is near the bottom)--+Axis 17:48, November 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I have since seen that. But I doubt he would add that to the wiki himself. Because that's what I meant when I said "I hope this wasn't you Andrew". Well to me it's obviously a typical Andrew joke. In any case it holds little sinificance to the plot or this wiki, so I don't see any reason to include it anywhere.BitterLime 18:20, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I also think what he was saying could be considered sarcasm. I agree with you Bitterlime, while sometimes his words outside of the comic can be relevant to the plot or the wiki, this time it doesn't seem to be at all. Loverdesang 23:48, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

List of vandals
Anyone seeing some vandals can report them here. I tend to get them anyway, but this way you can help noone escapes the hammer. Going to clear this section out from time to time, so that it doesn't get too big.BitterLime 23:53, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

User IP: 97.113.121.185 Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 02:12, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Here's some "kawaii desu!" nut. http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.111.153.150 Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 02:22, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

99.135.173.47 And maybe we should put a note on the main page directing editors to here when they catch a vandal? Per Ankh, now owner of the TDC wiki. 02:59, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

User:206.124.31.139 I think he's a vandal, but I'm not sure. He's hovering around the Troll's pages, changing their quotes. I undid the edits, just in case. Per Ankh 05:00, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Here's two: Both I call "lemme tell you about X" 108.195.255.190 and 63.147.47.243 Both wrecked the character Quote section with their gibberish. Per Ankh 14:18, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing that most vandalism is directed at the kids and trolls character pages. It might sound a little extreme (especially considering there are 20 of said pages) but maybe semi-protecting them all to prevent anonymous users editing them? The problem then of course is that legitimate anonymous users can't edit them. I guess it's all a question of balance. The Light6 14:51, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. Per Ankh 16:17, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I thought about that as well, but we don't have enough regular registered contributors for that to work imo.BitterLime 16:51, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I caught the one you missed, The Light6 (it was vandalized right after your revert of some similar vandalism). I don't understand what motivates someone to spend so much time editing 20 pages with unfunny vandalism.... --TricksterWolf 17:11, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

@ Bitterlime: Yeah, that's the only flaw in this plan. Hmmm.... I need to think.

@ Triksterwolf: I don't think we'll ever know. Per Ankh 17:16, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Here's another one: 208.190.25.51 They must be working extra hard to make up for their lack yesterday or the day before. Per Ankh 18:30, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well we seem to agree that semi-protection is a good way of dealing with it, if undesirable. Well if we want to weigh up anonymous contributions vs. spam we don't have to lump all the characters together. First we have new kids vs. old kids + trolls: Since the new kids are currently the focus of the story it could be said their pages will suffer the most harm from limiting contributions to them. Meanwhile the old kids + trolls really aren't undergoing anything at the moment rather than a tweak here and there, and thus would not suffer much loss from semi-protection. Plus it cuts down possible semi-protected pages from 20 to 16. Or we could take it from the otherside: kids + alive trolls vs. dead trolls; Assuming the dead trolls aren't going to make reappearances or if they do it won't be for a long time now and thus will need the least work in the future and could be argued protection from spam would be a higher priority for them. Plus it cuts down possible semi-protected pages from 20 to 6. Also you can set a time limit for the protect meaning you won't have to worry about undoing it yourself later when the time comes (assuming relevant characters come back after the protection wears off). I guess you could always go for a mixture: old kids + living trolls = 1 month semi-protect, dead trolls = 3 months semi-protect. Just throwing all my rambling thoughts out here. The Light6 23:52, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome
thanks for the welcome, that was fast Ataniell93 06:33, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's a system generated message, but don't feel any less welcome because of that.BitterLime 10:30, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

CS: I5 7H3R3 4 W4Y 70 CL41M 4 9463 45 0N3 7H47 1 WR073?

CannonSpectacle 00:09, November 30, 2011 (UTC)cannonSpectacle (CS)

I can barely read that. "Is there a way to claim a page as one that I wrote?" Not that I am aware of, why would you want to do that anyway? ô_o All pages are colaborations because people will keep editing them. If you somehow want to keep track of the pages that you started/created. Then just make a list on your profile page. Not sure if I understood your question right so sorry if this is an useless answer.BitterLime 10:08, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Bluh bluh huge argument.
1. All eggs from which trolls hatch are ovulated and oviposited by the Mother Grub herself, and her intercession is necessary for troll procreation, so yes, it seems that she is a unique sex of troll despite being an extremely rare class of lusus. One species does not make genetic material on behalf of another species, and she has no way to propogate herself other than if on occasion one of the wrigglers she spawns turns out to be another Mother Grub. I'd buy the argument if her sole purpose was to mix the material, but it's not: the eggs she lays are entirely separate from the genetic material she lays them into. She lays troll eggs, therefore she's a troll. Saying a Mother Grub isn't a troll is like saying a queen bee isn't a bee.

2. The "trolls have bewbs" discussion is a non-canon running gag. I'm aware that Andrew has joked about the topic several times, but no troll has ever been drawn with breasts inside the webcomic itself (unless you count "troll Drew Barrimore", and I'm not even convinced those aren't tumors on "non-troll Drew Barrimore"). However, I welcome contradictory fapping material. :D (Mostly kidding, really...I'm a girl so I already know what they look like.)

Aside from the disputations, your edits are fine--I may tweak them slightly but I'm not about to revert them. --TricksterWolf 00:55, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Checking the ancestor page alone gives you three examples of clearly visible breasts:

http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/1/10/Redglare.gif

http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/a/a9/03472.gif

http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/0/03/Ancestors.PNG

Now, you may argue that they could stuff themselves. But why would they? Also why would Andrew repeatedly stated that they do indeed have something there, even if he's not clarifying their purpose? I guess you are not convinced till Hussie starts dishing out drawings of naked troll ladies?

As for the Mother Grub: A. We don't know wher the ovocytes come from, they might be in the genetic material the trolls supply. I don't know where you got the idea from that she lays the eggs into the genetic material? It's stated that she is overed the material, combines it, and then lays eggs. It also says that she can only "receive" precombined material. Receive sounds like she actually takes the material into her body and then processes it as if it was her own. Either way, the process is ever clarified, so we don't know if she uses her own ovocytes. I would assume her own ovocytes produce lusus/lusii eggs of all kinds. B. If the mother grub does supply the ovocytes herself, then this essentially makes all trolls and all lusus/lusii part of the same species. Which is a possibility I guess. But it doesn't warrant calling the mother grub a troll, because even though they might be part of the same species, there is still a clear distinction between a Lusus and a Troll.BitterLime 09:31, December 1, 2011 (UTC)