Forum:Prototype Limits

One more question. I don't see anything in the article (might have missed it though) explaining that there is a limit of two prototypes per sprite. Is this not the case? Every sprite other than 11 of the trolls has two prototypes (if you count combined prototypings as "two").

Additionally, if a sprite prototypes the very moment it touches an object, would it not be impossible for sprites prototyped only a single time to manipulate objects without accidentally prototyping them? That seems like a heavy restriction, but given the "accidental" prototypings we've seen thusfar it may be accurate. TricksterWolf (talk) 09:48, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's the thing: We haven't exactly received direct confirmation or denial that there is a limit of two prototypings, or at all. And yes, it would indeed be impossible. We should find out soon though: Dirk is about to touch ARquiusprite's muscle. Aepokk Venset 09:51, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well sprites don't prototype the moment they are touched, HS 2098 (John was able to touch Harlequinsprite) without issue. And Jane's Kernelsprite passed though her house's walls without prototyping the house. I guess it is possible that a sprite could choose not to be prototyped, or that touching isn't enough, rather it has to be combined in some specific way. In any case there hasn't been any exposition on it and there likely never will be, because the answer is simply "video game logic". - The Light6 (talk) 10:01, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd think a house would be far too large to be prototyped, and the only things that seem to be "accidentally" prototyped are living or formerly-living things. But you're right about John high-fiving the sprite.  I'd forgotten all about that.  I don't know if I'd agree "we'll probably never know" though.  It's a big comic and there's a game coming out eventually so it's always a possibility (I'd have no way to estimate likelihood esp. since lots of things we assumed wouldn't be returned to, have been). TricksterWolf (talk) 10:11, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Gl'bgolyb was the size of a city and was prototyped without issue, Jane's house is tiny in comparison. Also given the game will be limited in what it can do, you will probably just select what you want to be prototyped, fancy complexities like touching, and accidental touching, etc probably won't factor into it. - The Light6 (talk) 10:16, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think I've got it:
 * Items cannot be prototyped by the sprite moving around on its own. It may or may not have a consciousness (Dave thought it was suggesting to prototype Lil Cal), but when it comes to actually prototyping, the kernelsprite cannot take the action upon itself.
 * Any inanimate object (including dead beings) that is thrown, falls into, or enters the sprite in some way independent of the sprite's own movement, then it is prototyped.
 * A living being will not be prototyped upon touching the sprite if prototyping itself was not the being's intent, and if the being does inted to prototype itself then it will be prototyped. Aepokk Venset 12:28, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just want to point out to tricksterwolf that are never living, and items which may be ambiguously alive, dead or never living have been prototyped, I can point to Lil Hal, Lil Cal, The Frog Statue, stuffed Harlequin, and Roses tentacle princess, and I also remember that both John attempted to prototype a book, and a command was entered for Rose to attempt the same (though she decided that was a bad idea) whether or not it would even be possible for the books to be prototyped is unclear, as are the rules in general for what may and may not be prototyped, I guess all we really know is what has and has not been prototyped at this point. Whohoohuwhu (talk) 03:50, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Since this topic has been revived, I do need to ask if people think my "finalized" bullet list above is canon enough and appropriate enough to add to the main article. With page links, of course. Aepokk Venset 08:32, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * So far, all accidental prototypings can be explained by kernelsprites' attraction to the dead (Nannasprite's ashes) and the doomed (I think it's sort of vaguely implied that Gl'bgolyb was mortally wounded by a meteor during the Reckoning). I've also noticed that every successful prototyping has been either a living being, a formerly living being, or an object in the form of a living being (2 dolls, a puppet and the head of a statue). -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 09:38, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually do object to the bullets as I'm not willing to accept at this point that a something living may not be accidentally prototyped as a result of touching their sprite without intending to become incorporated, I think that the criteria is more likely that anything to touches the core prior to tier 2 is then prototyped, I do know however that Roses house appears to have been an exception (possibly due to the sprite touching it on it's own, the sprites intention, or some other reason)Whohoohuwhu (talk) 11:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * EDIT:what of Lil Hal Gordon Ecker? he does not appearently fall into any of those catagories, and then also there is the immaterial ghost of Aradia, which does not appear to fall into those categories either, by my reckoning Whohoohuwhu (talk) 11:39, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * But John high fived his sprite, without intending to become prototyped, and subsequently was not. Maybe it would be different if it was tier one, but why speculate instead of going off the info we have? All other living beings prototyped were either corpses (thus acting as objects) or intentionally prototyped themselves: Aradia, doomed Dave. And Cal is absolutely the form of a living being. Aepokk Venset 19:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * John did high five his sprite, but he did not touch the core, I would be willing to say that all successful prototypes with living aspects had intention, I would even be willing to say that it might be a criteria, but I'm not unwilling to say that unintentionally prototyping oneself is not possible. as for Aradia if a ghost has a form then she would fall into one of those categories, but I figured since she was immaterial that meant she did not have a form. I don't remember bringing up Doomed Dave, but he was living, and I meant to say Lil Hal... I wasn't aware you had seen me mistakenly say Lil Cal, wouldn't Lil Hal fall into a category Gordon Ecker did not mention? Whohoohuwhu (talk) 19:47, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think sprites function somewhat on the needs of their owner. John needed someone caring with a funny personality to watch over him so it took the personalities of the harlequin and Nanna. Dave needed someone to protect him. Thus leading to the dead crow with the sword and the doomed Dave so it could acquire a weapon and the ability to use it. Rose needed a friend to get her to be a little more open and less creepy. So the sprite chose Frigglish (the only thing she felt she could open up to) and the doll (to satisfy her love of the strange). Jade needed a way to become independent and powerful. To achieve this the sprite accepted Bec and her dreamself so she could acquire the powers of Bec through god tier. Of course a lot of this could just be chalked up to Hussie needing it to happen for the story to progress. The2ndplayer (talk) 20:15, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * re: examples and categories
 * Accidental prototypings:
 * Nanna's ashes (formerly living being, covered by the dead and doomed rule).
 * Gl'bgolyb (fell in after she died in the ReckoningHS 4891, covered by the dead and doomed rule)
 * Successful deliberate prototypings:
 * Harlequin doll (inanimate object shaped like a living being)
 * Jaspers (dead cat in a suit, covered by the dead and doomed rule)
 * Eldritch Princess (inanimate object shaped like a living being)
 * Rambunctious Crow (dead crow with a sword through it, covered by the dead and doomed rule)
 * Lil Cal (creepy puppet, may or may not be alive, but definitely qualifies as an object shaped like a living being)
 * Alternate Future Dave (living doomed alternate timeline SBURB player, covered by the dead and doomed rule)
 * Frog Temple statue head (inanimate object shaped like a living being)
 * Ghost Aradia (ghost, covered by the dead and doomed rule)
 * Lil Hal's cracked shades (covered by the dead and doomed rule, arguably also fets in the dolls and statues category since he's an artificial person)
 * Maybe we should say something along the lines of "kernelsprites are attracted to the dead and the doomed, and both known instances of accidental prototyping have involved the remains of dead guardians or ancestors". -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:03, June 6, 2014 (UTC)