Talk:Gamzee Makara

Description
I don't know about that description, Gamzee's horns don't look like those of any goat I've ever seen. 67.168.10.30 07:37, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

BouncyTEM 08:56, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I made a new Gamzee image for the appearance selector thing, but i'm not sure what to call the tab. Here's the image. Gamzee_Makara_Sane.png

I gotta say, as a Capricorn, I fucking love TC. I look forward to monitoring the progress of this page, seeing as how just about every time I want to update a page, somebody else beat me to it. Blygarde 04:47, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * TC - best troll or bestest troll? Genofreek 02:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm having trouble editing the template, but I uploaded an image that is in the same style as the other trolls' images, if someone wants to update that. Eurynome752 07:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Can you put the picture on the talk page? I'll see what I can do; if I can't do it, some other person will come along to fix it.--Judgericand 07:42, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

There you go --> Eurynome752 07:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Character template
Just wondering, but should we give Gamzee the player character template? After all, we did that for good ol' Karkat when he became playable, so it only seems fair. 91.108.167.206 20:50, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

That would be best, I think. The "Pesterchum Troll" template is probably on its way out with this act, especially since it's missing some important fields like fetch modus and guardian. Plus, what's the deal with the "victim(s)" field? Why do we even need that? Well, at any rate, yeah, the Homestuck Character template should have all the info we need. Majutsukai 00:39, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about the Gamzee thing, but 'Makara' in Hindu mythology is the mount of Varuna, and is often described as a creature with the head of a land animal and body of an aquatic animal (sea-goat much?) - and according to The Other Wiki, "In astrology, it is the sign of Capricorn, one of the twelve symbols of the Zodiac."

109.64.4.249 02:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC) A random passerby.

I added a small sentense at the lusus section, as if "CALIGULASAQUARIUM" is not responsable it might be directly related to the death of Gamzee's lusus.

Can nobody find a source for the name Gamzee? Surely it has origins somewhere.

Wow, did this not get mentioned anywhere? Whoops. Anyway, he was named after a forum poster who had been using the name "terminallyCapricious"-- their real name was Gamze, and an extra E was added to the end to fit the six-letters guideline. So many people suggested the name that Andrew assumed it had some symbolic meaning he wasn't aware of, so he picked it. He didn't find out its actual origins until later. Majutsukai 09:24, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Title
I like to think Gamzee´s title will be Clown of Rest, or something involving Relaxation and hilarity.

Rocket Stuff
He has a rocket unicycle :O http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004508 It seems every troll has a rocket vehicle these days. QuigleyQ 17:57, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, check them all out: Rocket --Loverdesang 20:12, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bard of ???
Following the pattern of Kanaya's Land of Rays and ???, Gamzee's title will be written as "Bard of ???" until we know the full thing (if ever). If anybody's got a valid reason why it should be listed as something else, post it here.

Yes, I'm ruining all the fun. All of it. - Jumpjet2k 08:07, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

It is quite obvious isn't it? Gamzee is the Bard of Fuck! 74.12.31.148 14:58, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Srry to spoil everyones wierd fun at bard jokes? At the beginning of Jades entry the title was Witch of ??? that changed to frogs(a mystical item/animal, forbidden to mention by anyone) and since some of the titles repeat wouldnt Gamzees title be Bard of Frogs?GreenBeanXD 23:07, January 6, 2011 (UTC)GreenBean 6:07 January,6, 2011

No that was the land name. ~ Octachor n  23:11, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh duh of course because that was Kanaya's land. Wow it would take a mircale for me to guess at this nowXDGreenBeanXD 00:27, January 7, 2011 (UTC)GreenBeanXD 7:27 January 6, 2011

OF COURSE! He's the Bard of Miracles! Drunken Lemur 06:43, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Totally just speculation here but the attributes of each title seem to pair up.

Light and Void, Breathe and Blood, Heart and Mind, Space and Time, Hope and Doom, Life and ???.

Pairing them up like this, and taking into account recent revelations, it looks like he could be the Bard of Death. I realise they could be paired up in different ways of course. Xotame 15:28 January 25, 2011 (GMT)
 * He is the Bard or Quest --Golden Monkey 19:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Speculation
I don't usually post speculation, and I intend to delete this Talk Page content as soon as the discussion dies (if it ever starts), but I wanted to drop this somewhere: don't the wounds on Mysterious-Countdown-0:00-Evil-Gamzee's face look a lot like they were inflicted by Nepeta's clawkind? That would be hilarious in light of very recent Formspring ranting. -- romancePhilologist 16:31, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * When Gamzee declared his murderous ambitions I worried that those scratches might come from Nepeta. I've been worried about her more than about the other trolls because of this (and also because she doesn't really play a big part...then again the "unimportant" trolls have been stealing the spotlight with mad stuff recently). HONK Do: BitterLime 17:29, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I will exercise my necromantic powers to raise this little thread from its well deserved rest to possibly start another discussion regarding THE CRITICAL MOMENT. How much of Gamzee's murderous rampage could be attributed to his conversation with Dave and how much was Scratch's manipulation? Stuff to consider: It all boils down to one question: was Gamzee really going to murder everyone? Did he have any plans at all?
 * The obvious first clue is the fact that Gamzee reported to Doc that "it's all been (...) done (...)" which suggests some of his actions were ordered by him. It also suggests the two of them did talk before, though the pesterlogs have not (yet?) been shown in the comic.
 * Gamzee claimed it was Cal who told him to kill everyone. It could be only his psychosis talking, but Cal/Doc connection is pretty strong, especially given his felt suit. Otherwise Gamzee seemed pretty coherent after killing Equius and Napeta even before Karkat's intervention. It could be a swift kick to the yarbles that worked its magic.
 * Both Equius and Napeta did provoke him. Equius refused to kneel instantly on his command -- which is actually a crime as we've learned from Vriska's pesterlogs. Napeta attacked him.

He seemed to have settled a little bit after killing two and seemed to just enjoy his own private "corpse party" with heads he collected from around the installation. He actually worked towards everyone meeting on the rooftop and I am not even sure he planned anything beyond that.

(Also: it seems that the "Oh shit Neppeta is dead." someone added without putting their signature is messing up a layout a bit. Preview shows my edit will not go on the bottom of this paragraph. I don't know how to fix this without deleting the above -- which is actually below in the preview. Huh.) Matpmar 10:29, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The scratches coming from Nepeta is pretty common speculation, so it can be added to the page. Though if she does fight him, her chances of surviving the encounter are... not good. ~ Octachor [[Image:EnglishO.gif|link=User:Octachoron]] n 19:01, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh shit Neppeta is dead.

Sorry to bring up an old category, but if the discussion is about HS 005119 (this) then HS 005355 (here's the proof.) Gamzee inflicted his wounds on himself using Nepeta's claws. Also, fixed the formatting of this category-hope nobody minds! ChibiSeme597 (talk) 19:41, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Role
I'm wondering why Gamzee (And Eridan, but nobody gives a damn about him) is still counted as a Protagonist/Ally. If completely flipping out and killing two trolls is not enought to make him an antagonist I have no clue what is. 99.120.150.148 05:03, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Imo the Wiki should treat characters as what they have been most of the time, not what they eventually are.178.26.230.123 05:43, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

bloody kiss stuff
Please everyone, stop editing it back and forth.

Terezi cleary had blood on her lips too, even though she only did the most careful of all corpse smooches.

3V1D3NC3: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005284

BitterLime 16:50, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

he turts around
Would the SBAHJ style drawing of him turning around after Nepeta "bimps" out of the "great" fit anywhere on this page? 75.36.145.120 03:45, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Matesprit?
How is Tavros Gamzee's unrequited matesprit? 50.102.60.122 06:41, October 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you read the comic completly? Gamzee flat out states he want's to make out with Tavros, Tavros reaction is to be confused and a bit scared it seems, so it's probably not requitted. It happened a while ago already. BitterLime 06:59, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I think that was just Gamzee being, well, Gamzee. Gamzee's pretty odd, and says some strange things.Magicksthereaper 03:40, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

his quirk
Hussie said the change between the alternating caps including spaces, and the alternating caps without was just a mistake/laziness/poor memory on his part. Could be if he changed to a quirk program as all the logs changed relative to real life chronology, not gamzee's personal timeline. 86.25.216.201 00:43, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

"Gamze Kurtlooz"
How on earth does that even come close to being Gamzee Makara, and how is it so definite that it was even named after Gammy at all? Toastytoast is the one that extended the first name out to "Gamzee", and a few other members suggested the last name of Makara. Pardon my bluntness, but I really don't think that piece of information is exactly necessary.--Dramartistic 01:37, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Gamzee On His Unicycle
Title Says All.Just For Some People.Roxy Lalonde 20:07, March 24, 2012 (UTC)Roxy_Lalonde

The Capricorn sign is backwards as well as not being the right shade of purple. I am the wizard its me 20:15, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Interestingly that's exactly what he looks like in HS 3916 (that scene) though. I don't think we should add it to the infobox though, because it's a vehicle. Except for tavros we don't really include vehicles into the info boxes. Tavros is an exception because he needs them. It could go in the gallery though if we want it on the page.bitterLime 21:55, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Gamzee God Tier seems odd because...
His eyes. Didn't his dream self die? And if it was a alternate self it would be white too. And lastly (but somewhat more explainable) Gamzee seems stoned again but this probably is just the effect of the shoosh paps. Chezrush 16:17, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure it did die, as I don't recall it leaving Prospit, therefore it was obilterated when BN blew the planet up. experimentalDeity 16:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * His eyes aren't odd, alternate selves have normal eyes, its dead selves that have white eyes and alternate selves have a nasty habit of dying. So if it is an alternate Gamzee it is one that has avoided death. However he has the scars from when Nepeta scratched him and that was long after Jack blew up Prospit. Maybe he isn't god tier maybe one of his alternate selves gave him the Captchalogue code for his god tier outfit (if that can even be done) and he alchemised one up himself? The Light6 17:00, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * He also doesn't have wings. Just thought I'd put that out there. 17:35, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too, however I think we've seen enough god tier trolls to assume they can disappear their wings someway. The Light6 17:58, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the only time their wings have disappeared is when their outfit also disappears, but I guess that might not have to be the case. I suppose there's no way to know for sure unless we encounter a god tier troll that keeps the outfit and not the wings. 18:11, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually we have seen a Karkat with a god tier outfit but no wings. The wings are also part of their biological body, well at least they are not attached to the outfit, because Vriska had slits in her outfit, to put the wigs through, which actually connect directly to her back.bitterLime 20:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think boy trolls just don't have wings. But I need another example to prove it. Chezrush 13:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * HS 6590 (*cough*cough*) The Light6 13:25, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hefty try anyways. Chezrush 13:31, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * He may just be from a timeline where Jack didn't blow up prospit. Chezrush 17:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Based on what we know I would call that a logically impossibility. The Light6 17:58, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am pretty sure he is "our" Gamzee, after arriving in the new session he went back to before he arrived to act as Janes guide, since her sprite may potentially be useless now? (I guess it is still possible for her to prototype it now, but who knows). Maybe all 4 remaining trolls will do soemthing like this, to help the B2 kids prepare for the arrival of the B1 kids and to put them in the know. The real question is when Gamzee became god tier. He either ascended before prospit was destroyed and hid it very well from everyone, or there is yet another way to turn god tier. Or alternatively he is just "dressed up" and didn't really ascend, you never know. Thinking about it his scars are the weirdest part...if he ascended after receiving them, they should have healed during his ascension, so I guess it's more likely he was already a god when he got the scratch marks?bitterLime 20:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * If he's just wearing the clothes, then where did he get them? experimentalDeity 20:11, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Could it be The Grand Highblood from the pre-scratch troll session?


 * Probably not since it has no big differences looking at regular Gamzee, plus he has nepetas scar.
 * Chezrush 04:44, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * We never actually saw Gamezee on Prospit, and most of the time he was alone on his planet. It's very possible he God Tier'd sometime the course of the adventure (most likely the end, because how would he get his stoned ass up to skaia without help) AND Karkat said his attack did the most damage against the Black King Storm980 (talk) 05:28, August 3, 2012 (UTC)Storm980

Gallery
I'd like to see the "murder mode" picture be reuploaded in the gif format, just like his "hero mode" picture Aepokk Venset 04:06, April 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is already uploaded if gif format, I don't know why it would need to be uploaded again. The Light6 04:10, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't working before and I was guessing at the issue. Your last edit on the page fixed the problem ,thank you. Aepokk Venset 04:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Symbolic Manner God Tier WITH his wings

 * Deleted file: God_Tier_Gamzee_with_wings.png 

I found a picture of God Tier Gamzee rendered in a symbolic manner WITH his wings. Perhaps it may be useful? I have no idea how the content box codes work, and I don't want to mess them up, so I'm leaving the image here. MistPower101 (talk) 01:07, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Technically we can't use an image unless it's shown in canon, but this is a great find. In fact, that makes me wonder where we got the normal Caliborn sprite from... Aepokk Venset 01:22, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure bitterLime made it. Anyways, it looks great, but Aepokk is right, we can't use it unless it is canon. --Chezrush {Talk} 01:28, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. But what about the sketch that Hussie made of Gamzee's God Tier quite a while back? Wouldn't that be canon? Or technically not, since it hasn't quite appeared in the story yet (or rather, the wings from it)? So I guess either way, the sprite still doesn't cut it. MistPower101 (talk) 02:38, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * That counted due to Andrew making it. Sketches by the author usually are canon. BTW where did you find the pic? Chezrush {Talk} 03:04, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I found the pic somewhere on tumblr. (Reeeal helpful, I know.. ^^;;;) It came up after doing a google search for God Tier Gamzee cosplays. You may be able to find it via a Gamzee tag search? Although that will bring up a lot of stuff. :/ I'll eventually look for the source. MistPower101 (talk) 04:52, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I found the source of the picture. shadowedAngel on the MSPA forums. http://mspaforums.com/showthread.php?47011-IMAGE-MANIPULATION-13-The-Good-The-Bad-and-the-Nom&p=6423998&viewfull=1#post6423998 MistPower101 (talk) 19:40, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, God Tier Gamzee with wings is canon now, but the wings appear to be fake (no slits for wings) in the latest update. Then again, this implies his whole outfit might be a fake as well. If his questionable God Tier outfit is shown on this wiki, then I believe that the wings should be shown as well.ChibiSeme597 (talk) 19:09, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just want to point out that this is not my handiwork, because earlier someone suggested it might have been made by me. It looks good, but usually we avoid using fan edits, exceptions are cases where it's 100% based on canon sources (for example Vriska's God tier outfit having Terezi's boots, because we never saw her's in sprite mode). Other exceptions can be made when people feel it's kinda vital to include a certain outfit that does not exist as a sprite yet. But I don't feel ike Gamzee's wings are vital, we have the canon sprite for his "god tier" outfit without wings, and imo that's good enough. And about things being "questionable", Gamzee's outfit is questionable in that it might not be the proper god tier outfit he might have upon ascension, but it is unquestionably canon because it appeared in the comic. So worst case is that "God Tier" is kind of a misnomer. But the sprite with the wings is a different kind of questionable, because we do not know how exactly Hussie would draw them in sprite mode. But yeah, the picture above is a good guess and I personally I would have no problem using it, but professionally speaking we should avoid using it if we have canon alternatives. And wingless Gamzee seems like a good enough alternative. Okay I am rambling, I'll stop now.bitterLime 20:24, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries on the ramblings, I agree with them. 20:32, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Personality
Minor note on the fourth paragraph of this section - the game being referenced is called "Secret of Mana", not "The Secret of Mana". There was never a "the" in the title, so that word needs to be lowercase all the way. This has been bugging me for months. 98.176.249.39 18:40, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed and added a link.bitterLime 20:09, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Clowns Never Die?
Should the point made by what we assume is Hussie to Caliborne that "Clowns never seem to die" be mentioned? Especially after mentioning there are no confirmed alternate timeline deaths? 98.166.174.98 13:32, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's already mentioned. Last paragraph of the post-Hivebent section

... Is it supposed to say "Cod Tier" under that picture of Gamzee? 'Cause I think it does... I am a Missingno.!~ :D (talk) 02:00, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a pun. Aepokk Venset 19:56, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Gamzee's Rage Powers
I've been looking through the pages in Homestuck and cannot seem to find a page (or the page) where Gamzee uses his powers to defeat the Black King. I was wondering if someone could possibly upload a picture of him using these powers or a link to the page that shows his powers in use.

FanOfGames (talk) 19:35, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * No such page exists. We've never been shown what he actually did


 * We never see him use the powers. But it was mentioned that he did inexplicable MASSIVE damage to the Black King HS undefined (here.) "
 * " Aepokk Venset 20:05, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * " Aepokk Venset 20:05, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * " Aepokk Venset 20:05, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * " Aepokk Venset 20:05, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

The link leads to a non-existent page. FanOfGames (talk) 18:01, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * HS 5260 (This) is the page in question. 18:42, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * My bad. I was setting up my response and I forgot to go back and add the page number. Aepokk Venset 21:04, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Symbolism within his role in the felt
With all of his clown-makeup and willingness to serve, I think it could be said he represents the chalk on the cue stick. After all he has been stoned plenty of times before. Storm980 (talk) 02:12, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Storm980