Talk:Hemospectrum

Fauna
Can someone explain to me why it would be "Fauna have" in that sentence in the trivia section. Fauna is a singular, its plural can be both "faunas" or "faunae", and those are only used when people talk about several sets of different fauna. So why the heck would a plural form of a verb be used with a noun that is in the singular? That's like saying..."the group have seperated". Am I missing something here?bitterLime 23:51, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

coloUrs and mayhem
Hussie called Equius blood cast Indigo.

Gamzee has never been called Indigo in the comic. It was a fan name.

Equius, the person who cares most about blood color, calls Gamzee's blood Purple.

Blue Blood is a nickname, like Rust Blood. - 211.26.125.219 a
 * But he has called himself a "b100 b100d" quite a few times. I am the wizard its me 11:33, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't belive we called Aradia's blood color Rust Blood before. We called it Dark Red Blood. I am the wizard its me 11:39, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's because he is a Blue Blood, but so is Vriska, and she's technically a Cerulean Blood, it appers to be just another term for beloning to part of the aristocracy that Equius favors because he can use his typing quirk.


 * That would make sense. --I am the wizard its me 11:47, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * gamzee indigo eridan
 * Indigo lies between blue and purple, Equius is most definitely not Indigo blooded, I have no idea what is with the colour/song naming on "coloUrs and mayhem: Universe A". But you can compare all their blood colours as shown in the comic here, Equius is absolutely blue, Gamzee lies between purple and blue, eg. Indigo, and Eridan is purple/violet. We've been using purple for Eridan so far but the new album calls him violet though both are correct, as violet is a purple. The Light6 11:49, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Andrew Hussie is a color expert, he has patents for Photoshop applications that are about using color. I considered Gamzee's blood Indigo just fine yesterday, and reasonably Indigo today, but if Hussie calls it Purple, and says Equius' blood is Indigo, I am in no position to question him. Certainly, looking up Indigo on Google Image search brings up a color range that could easily be attributed best to either of the characters. But the fact remains, Gamzee's blood has only been called purple in the comic, by Equius, by Karkat. That should make it pretty official, in light of the new album.

Oh dear, colour drama. So are we now considering calling Sollux's blood golden? I'm sorry but...no, for all I care the comic comes first, as it is "the most canon". Sollux's blood is called yellow by himself, the album titles are poetic and flowery, I don't think they can be taken as clear indications what the official colour names for the blood types are. Gamzee's blood has been called purple by karkat and equius, but karkat also called Eridans blood purple when he said he'd hope the next time he sees his stupid text colour it better be coming out of his body. Admitedly this is a bit of a mess with the whole contradictions and stuff. I guess we have no other choice than searching for different colour names in the comic and see what has been called what in the comic. If that remains inconclusive then I'd say we may consider using the colour names used on the album, like for example with purple being used for both gamee's and eridan's blood in the comic, so we could use violet for eridan if we don't find any other clues in the comic.

I can confirm the following:

Individual Trolls:
 * Karkat:
 * "candy red", used by Terezi.
 * "red", used by himself.
 * also often described as "mutant" instead of calling it a colour.Used by Karkat, Scratch and the narrator.
 * text has been called "lame grey anonimity".
 * Aradia:
 * "rust", used by Aradia and Scratch. This is however a cover term.
 * Tavros:
 * "rust", used by Aradia. This is however a cover term.
 * "brown", used by Hussie (on formspring) to describe his text colour
 * Sollux:
 * "yellow", used by himself.
 * Nepeta:
 * "green", used by Equius and herself.
 * Kanaya:
 * "jade (green)", used by the narrator.
 * Terezi:
 * "teal", used by the narrator as well as herself.
 * Vriska:
 * "blue", used by many including herself. "Blue bloods" is also a cover term, so this is not specific.
 * "cerulean", used by herself. This is more specific than blue.
 * Equius:
 * "blue", used by himself. "Blue bloods" is however also a cover term, however I haven't found more specfic references to his blood.
 * Gamzee:
 * "purple", used by Karkat, Equius and Hussie (on formspring)
 * Eridan:
 * "purple", used by Karkat
 * Feferi:
 * no reference to the name of it's colour in the comic??
 * called "blood of royality" and "the most noble blood possible", by the narrator

Other:
 * "lime (green)", used by Hussie. For the "missing" blood colour of the 12 non mutant blood colours, only seen once on the Grand Highbloods wall.

Cover terms:
 * "rust" has been used as a cover term by Aradia, to refer to her own and Tavros' blood.
 * "Blue bloods" is a cover term that covers the spectrum from Terezi up to Equius.
 * "purple" may be a cover term for the three highest blood colours, since it has been used to describe both Eridan's and Gamzee's blood. This might be some kind of goof though.

I'll leave it at that for now, we can expand it as we go. bitterLime 16:27, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * You mention the narrator calling Aradia's colour rust, just wondering if you meant HS 5971 (when Scratch) called it that or somewhere else (if somewhere else than we have another reference). The Light6 15:40, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah that was from when scratch was the narrator, my bad. Fixed it. I have been searching for a while now, and it seems there is nothing that could clear up the colour names for gamzee and eridan. There also seems to be no mentioning of the colour of feferi's blood. Since purple was used for both gamzee's and eridan's blood we might want to avoid using that name? An easy sollution would be to just use the colour names from colour and mayhem for the 3 highest blood colours. We also might want to consider using a more specific term for equius' blood, since "blue" is also often used for vriska (and terezi, though less often), since it's a cover term. One last resort could be looking at hussies tumblr and archieved formspring posts, and see if he mentions the blood colour names there (after all that is were we got the name "lime blood" from.)bitterLime 16:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking though Hussie’s old forumspring answers regretfully did not return any viable results concerning blood colours. Debatably relevant, this is the only mention of trolls in association with colour I could find:

Q. “You have ruined my moment of geeky happiness at the introduction of Tavros and Gamzees hashrap with this Tavzee/Gamvos stuff.....WHY HUSSIE WHY

A. For others, a tedious, barely readable purple and brown rap-off was SALVAGED by a beautiful moment shared between friends. And yet others were wondering why the fuck that page even existed at all.” ~missing signature~

That is good enough for me, after all their blood and text colours are identical. I'll add it. Please sign your posts on talk pages thoughbitterLime 06:23, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

is there anything on hussie's tumblr, or should we change it then??


 * Ok now that we cleared it up, what about the blood color template? It still has the old blood colors. Chezrush 12:46, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

As always, the problem in attaching specific names to specific colors is that color names are often vague and flexible, covering broad ranges and/or ambiguous in meaning.

The color termed "blue" in the ROYGBIV naming scheme seems to be more more commonly referred to as "cyan" when one wants to be specific, and what Newton called "indigo" is called "blue" in the RGB model. Given the flexibility of the term "blue", one might as well use it to encompass shades of both of these colors and intermediate ones. Conveniently, this is how the trolls themselves use the term! Meanwhile, "indigo" might as well be reserved for Equius's blood color, since that seems to be the only specific term we have for it.

On the other hand, when violet and purple are differentiated, violet is the more blueish color at one end of the visible spectrum. Karkat calls Eridan's blood " EVEN PURPLIER " than Gamzee's. (Note how the trolls with non-spectral blood colors (colors that don't appear anywhere in the rainbow) are a distinct subrace set apart from the rest of their species.) The album uses the terms backwards. Gamzee's blood is violet, not Eridan's.

I could have sworn that I saw Feferi's blood called "Tyrian purple" somewhere. Perhaps on this very page before it was changed? It makes sense as a term for the empress's blood color, anyway.

Incidentally, while Karkat is officially "not on the hemospectrum", note that his effective position essentially mirrors Feferi's. She has an extremely rare type of purple blood that puts her next in line for the throne, and he has an extremely rare type of red blood that he could be killed just for having.

Trolls of Tavros's blood color are called "fudgebloods" a few times. (I don't think anyone calls it "brown" in the comic itself.) Terezi and Eridan have referred to Sollux's text/blood as "mustard", though Sollux himself just calls it "yellow" (and of course Terezi is going to use a flavor term).

"Highblood" appears to cover at least Gamzee's, Equius's, and Vriska's castes, and "lowblood" presumably covers at least Aradia's, Tavros's, and Sollux's.

The trolls' blood and text colors are NOT consistently identical. In particular, Equius and Gamzee quite plainly use text far, far darker than their blood. 65.26.197.87 01:31, May 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Personally, I believe that the actual web color names should be used, as they were previously. Aepokk Venset 03:56, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hemospectrum Chart
One thing I saw a while ago which I'm disappointed at its removal was the fact that the colors used to have the codes for the color under them. I'd like to see that brought back. 76.24.186.182 04:51, April 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was probably removed due to not contributing much to the article. However if you are interested you can find the codes for the blood colours and more on the Color template, well with the exception of Karkat's blood colour. The Light6 05:41, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

What happened to the limebloods? Speculation, if that is okay
Well. Gamzee at one point mentioned in a conversation with Dave the apparent social class of "scienstiffs", which he claimed would be declared unfunny and killed immediately by the subjugglators without a trial. I believe the limebloods occupied this social class. It was mentioned canonically, and would explain why they were hunted down: the highbloods hated them. Aepokk Venset 04:25, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to be helpful for others reading this HS 5927 (here's that Dave/Gamzee convo). Anyhow I think you could be right, if Lime bloods were a class usually dominated by scientists it could explain what UU was talking about with their power and danger to authority, as knowledge is power and those with it have a higher tenancy to question authority. Also science can do things like nuclear weapons, which I am fairly sure represent a larger threat than some of the lower blood powers we've seen. The Light6 04:35, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are very good points! I was trying to figure out what their powers might have been, and those all seem like highly plausible explanations. Plus I always thought UU talked somewhat like a scientist. It's hard to eplain, but that's how I saw it. Aepokk Venset 04:59, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Cherubs/Cherubim
It appears we need to add a new column for this race to the blood table. For now though, Calliope's blood color finally confirmed to be the exact same shade of green as her chat symbol, so I'll change the color in the table. Aepokk Venset 15:22, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, assuming her eyes and cheek markings match her blood, yes. I wouldn't say it's explicitly confirmed, and we perhaps shouldn't make that as an assumption, but we can say it probably is. Man, Hussie really screwed up this article with this revelation... we don't even know whether Cherubim have a full hemospectrum. For all we know, they may well just have one or two normal colours, rather than a dozen, and lime and red as mutations


 * Not to even mention the ramifications this has for the story of troll limebloods. I'm willing to bet now that the color between Nepeta and Sollux on TGH's wall really is the troll lime color. Aepokk Venset 16:11, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, her dead dream self's blood. There's our proof of her blood color. problem solved. Aepokk Venset 18:49, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. It's the closest to confirmation we have; however we don't know exactly how much to account for the ambient darkening of the colour due to Skaia being clouded over. So Harlequin green is technically our best guess and nothing more

Pretty much 100% sure it's the colour used in her eyes and cheek marks, which is alot like the sburb alpha icon colour and the felt colour. And also alot like "harlequin" but not quite as much on the yellow side I think, but I've been too lazy to compare all those colours in photoshop via their rgb values. Might get to that eventually.bitterLime 19:53, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Clearly her blood is not the web colour harlequin and not quite the colour of her chat symbol, both of those are too much on the yellow side. The blood shown on her dead dreamself is pretty much the same colour as her eyes only darker, in the same panel her dress is darker than a normal prospit outfit as well, and skaia is blocked by storm clouds. I think her eye and cheek colour is our best bet.bitterLime 19:06, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Does the color under Calmasis match up exactly with Harlequin and the chat symbol color? Aepokk Venset 05:23, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * The chat symbol and harelquin are actually different colours, you can't actually tell them apart when looking at them straight on (well at least I can't) but you actually have to tilt your screen down to see the different (or if you screen doesn't tilt, re-position yourself instead). The Light6 05:35, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a slightly different colour ...again. ._. It'S alot like her clothes symbol and harlequin though (which, yes, are not quite identical either). Added it to the table. Also added the colour her symbol appears in chat bubbles...which is different from the colour of it on her clothes...urgh.bitterLime 06:44, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

It'd be nice if Hussie could just have her stabbed in a well-lit room. Aepokk Venset 06:57, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I'm asking too much of you, but this will be my last request: how about comparison to the Sburb Beta logo and possibly Jade's typing color? I would say Jake also, but it looks far enough off to be unrelated. By the way, just a suggestion: why not compare the normal and darkened Prospit dress colors, and increase the blood color shown on the page to that saturation level? That would probably give the most accurate color. Aepokk Venset 02:06, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Added those and the felt colour for reference. I thought about doing what you proposed with the saturation, but deemed it too fiddely and the result would be questionable at best, because we don't know if hussie just went by intuition in picking those colours or if he really used "science" to get the 100% right colour. I guess I should do it though, if it happens to to be identical with one of the colours we susspect to be her blood colour then that would help alot.bitterLime 05:24, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

And now according to uu's note, Calliope's blood color is this shade (which very like but slightly different from the Calmasis background, I really think Hussie is just attempting to troll anyone who is actually paying attention to exactly what shade of lime her blood is). Also with all the uu= stuff, his statement that he will use her blood for his words also leaves the Felt colour as a potential option. The Light6 05:12, June 20, 2012 (UTC)