Speculation[]
Can we mark speculation as speculation? It makes articles more straight forward read. I don't mind it on the page personally (though others may disagree) but I think it should be marked as such. Alienatedduck 07:46, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean, speculation? What other character do we know who is a) a First Guardian, b) capable of contact which can be actually read by others and c) has been working to summon his master for so long that it has become a crucial part of his life? Yes, Rose didn't specifically say "His name is Doc Scartch." but there is no doubt that the mentioned First Guardian is Scratch. We don't know all of what he told her, but I only put in what she claimed to have gotten from her source. She even mentioned a few of Scratch's lines, and they were of the direct same structure as those previously used to speak with Vriska. If you have a better idea of who it could be, then tell me, but as of the current scope of the story, especially since so many details have already been revealed about this contact, if another First Guardian was put in, then it would probably provoke long explanations, weeks of page updates on the workings of that Guardian and the workings of the planet where he hails from, as well as whatever he had been attempting to summon, and would totally divert from anything even implied to exist in the story. If you were offended by my brash assertment of solid revelation, then treat it as you will; I just felt as though I should comment on this surfacing idea of my addition of reasonless speculation to the page.
In addition, if you had been trying to contact somebody else, about something else, then reading this has utterly wasted your time. My apologies extend if that is the case, as if it was, I evidently have suffered a massive case of conclusion-jumping. When a comment is not directed toward aything in partticular, I occasionally tend to do that.
Felt pool references/Speculation[]
I'm about to make myself seem crazy here.
But, as for Vriska and Whitey, I have noticed some strange coincedinces. Vriska has shown an addiction to breaking 8-balls; and has been referred to in the same way as Snowman. (bluh bluh) This does not seem like a coincedince.
This gave me an idea; could (assuming this is Lord English, which I think it is) Whitey be acting through Vriska because she has similar qualitites to Snowman? This opens up other possiblilites, like some of the Sburb players being aligned with certain pool balls, and therefore Felt members, etc.
It could even be Snowman, as she has been shown to be very dangerous, uses white (as snow) text, and aligns herself with Vriska. Could the employer be Lord English, and Vriska is talking to Snowman?
What do you think?
173.67.248.202 18:04, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's not Snowman after all. We now have a name - Doc Scratch. McAllisterFawkes 00:33, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel it may be noteworthy that his head has no outline, making it look more like a censor bubble than an actual part of the drawing? 81.107.148.14 01:00, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Looks more like a cueball to me. McAllisterFawkes 01:02, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Crap, the very day I come up with an idea it gets debunked. Oh well, such is life I guess. Well, I got another idea.
Get ready for some random speculation.
The page introducing Doc Scratch mentioned a genetic code that makes the user omnipotent. Judging by how he was animated, this must be the same code given to Bec to make it the "omnipoterrier" it is. And we know that Draconian Dignitary got that code from Roses notebook. And Rose got the code after Jaspers told her the secret, which activated "a genetic code" that caused her to write it down.
Could this mean that Rose is either the first guardian of Earth/Skaia or associated somehow with it?
173.67.248.202 01:21, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Well certainly she's associated with it in the sense that everything is freaking associated with everything in SOME way or another in this comic. (I mean come on we have chess, billiards, playing cards, zodiac signs and genetic codes, there are so many connections everywhere. SO MANY.) I do think she may be somehow related to Doc (I talked about it a little bit at Talk:The Felt, I don't particularly want to say what's already been said so read it as you wish or not), though not in the same way that Becquerel is. Given the titles and all that I'm inclined to think that this is just part of the role she plays. ReySquared 02:18, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty certain that Rose is not Earth's First Guardian. If you remember from Doc Scratch's intro, it states "...each (First Guardian) has a unique, circuitous origin through the knots of paradox space." That's consistent with Bec, who not only has the "First Guardian effect," but also has an origin spanning 413 million years of time travel. As "Paradox Space" seems to be this comic's codeword for "[[Weird Time Shit]] incoming," I'd imagine that Doc Scratch himself has a long, involved origin story, involving someone getting the First Guardian gene-sequence and somehow crossing it with a man and a cue ball via Ectobiology. Given the whole billiards theme, my money's on Lord English. --Nerva Magnum 11:22, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
Asked and answered. Yow.[]
Are we sure that it's Vriska who's coming closer to beating him? I got the impression it was either Aradia or Terzei, they just don't know they're playing (yet). --Kendrakirai 08:46, July 17, 2010 (UTC) (Edit to add signature. Don't know how I forgot that.)
Split from the previous discussion, but please rename it, I'm horribly unimaginative. P: Also, I guess that's that question answered. AH has a way of doing that, doesn't he? ReySquared 15:39, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Oh my. --Kendrakirai 18:55, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Doc Scratch and Aradia?[]
In the text it says that he talks at one point to Aradia, but I can't find that. Can anyone help me?--Niggy 08:15, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004505 Majutsukai 08:51, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Scratch and Rose[]
Is it ever said explicitly that Scratch is the First Guardian helping Rose? --MiffTheFox (of course (not)) 13:03, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
Its really really really heavily implied. He's from an ended session (The Trolls'), is a man, never lies, is omnipicent, ect. Plus its about time he showed up again, dude is cool.DukeLions 17:11, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
Although all sentient first guardians could have the same personality. I'm just worried it'll be another SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT that it's not Scratch, akin to the "indestructible demon" attacking the troll's session not being Lord English (as far as we know). (Also I forgot to sign, sorry.) --MiffTheFox (of course (not)) 17:55, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
Oops. I really should have been checking dates on these comments[]
Whoops. It appears that I have utterly missed my mark on the idea that I was being called out for speculation. In my assumption that I was being brushed by for a contact to someone about my content to the page, I was reading a comment that was dated nearly five months prior to my first edits on this wiki. My email account had told me of someone editing the page, and naturally my eyes met the top comment. I apologize, and double-facepalm. The question remains where the comment that I was alerted to was/is, but that isn't terribly important and I should just ignore it.
Edit: Oh, I found it. They go at the... bottom. All of this was for nothing. I am incredibly embarrassed by this, especially since the comment that I was alterted to was about the same thing that I had been upraised about, and somebody else had already replied to it, in a far less wordy way to boot. Once again, a double-facepalm ensues for my enormous folly. I probably should remember this if I ever edit any more article talk pages.
Confusing Realization[]
Doc Scratch tells Terezi to call him Mr. Vanilla Milkshake, dispite the fact that he did not know Vriska had the Magic Cue ball. Was he faking the fact that he knew Vriska had the Cue Ball? I really don't know anymore. -- 99.243.230.90 23:07, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
- Er... I guess I'll have to explain this a bit. Terezi becoming blind is a result of Vriska taking revenge at Terezi for telling Doc Scratch about the magic cue ball which blew up in her face. However, Doc Scratch claims that he does not know about his missing magic cue ball, but he DOES know the result- Terezi would become blind and start sniffing and licking to compensate for her lack of sight. 99.243.230.90 20:35, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
It seems he also broke out of Homestuck[]
The top boarder wallpaper in his theme background actually has him standing near the bowl of candy on May 27 Update, [o] Let's find out. We can healthily assume he is about to let Spades Slick in, but he is on the wrong side of his room. But then again, when does where Doc Scratch is matter?
17:57, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Now, the scene from the beginning of March of 2011 is playing out on the top banner, complete with Spades Slick beating Doc Scratch with his horse hitcher. This occurance may show us what happens at his place after he talks to Rose and convinces her to go Grimdark. I call Spades Slick setting things on fire.
20:55, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
On the topic of the music[]
Isn't Baroqueback Bowtier also some of Doc Scratch's music, evidenced by it's subtitle? (Scratch's Lament)?
Jokers Wilde 21:11, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
Jade?[]
I'm just wondering why this page doesn't mention Jade more. We know scratch has had some connection with her from this conversation. Assuming of course that he is the "reliable informant/smug tool" in question. This strikes me as an important event because everything scratch has ever done has been manipulative and always in his own interest, and now he might be the source of Jade's entire plan of escaping through the yellow yard.
84.48.193.127 18:51, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Speculation: Calliope is Doc Scratch[]
I think there is evidence that Calliope is Doc Scratch. This evidence is not strong enough to justify editing the page for either of them, but it seems strong enough to make a talk topic.
The newest Flash ([S] Caliborn: Enter.) makes it abundantly obvious that Caliborn is Lord English, or at least will be in his future. I noticed that there are certain similarities between Caliborn and Lord English present also between Calliope and Doc Scratch. For one, Caliborn's weapon of choice is very similar to Lord English's. Calliope's weapon of choice is similar, if not identical, to Doc Scratch's. Secondly, both Caliborn and Lord English wear suspenders, while Calliope and Doc Scratch wear suits. Finally, Lord English fits with Caliborn's Time aspect and Doc Scratch fits with Calliope's Space aspect.
What may be the most important factor, though, is that Doc Scratch was Lord English's host, meaning that they shared a body, similarly to how Calliope and Caliborn shared a body. Remember that this is pure speculation, and I invite anyone to tell me if I left anything out related in any significant way to this idea.
Exxion (talk) 03:45, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
It also seems worth noting that Calliope's drawing based off of her dream resembles Doc Scratch's head, and that like Scratch, she at least acts polite. It's an interesting idea, for sure. Civil Man (talk) 05:17, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
He could also be Caliborn's dream self. Caagr98 05:38, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
Caledscratch?[]
At here
Hussie mentioned this was a hint for his origin. Can it be special? Do you think this can be added on trivia? (Is it on wikia? I am suggesting this because I didn't see this on here. If this has mentioned, I'm sorry for meaningless suggestion.)
Scratch grey text[]
Ok so kinda a strange idea and I have no idea if anyone has checked. Doc Scratch speaks in white right but it is actually easy to see because the homestuck pages are a grey colors right. What if he has been speaking randomly on other pages in this grey and no on has noticed what if we are missing important info cause we have failed to check to hi light hidden messages. Sorry this is a thing my friend said and it is really bothering me.68.112.27.49 03:21, February 25, 2016 (UTC)SP
- As far as I'm aware, it hasn't been the case anywhere or it would've shown up in the text log - either that, or there would be suspicious spaces above or below the first or last "visible" lines of dialogue. Unless they're placed in weird locations around the site instead of the text box, I'm pretty sure we're safe. And that seems super unlikely. However, there are two
examples
of Scratch using the same text color as the site background, but it's green enclosed by blatant white brackets, and not really important information on either page. Aepokk ∀ulpex 07:53, February 25, 2016 (UTC)