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For the pre-scratch version of this character, see Meenah Peixes.
For the company named after the pseudonym this character operates under, see Betty Crocker.

Her Imperious Condescension, also known by the eight-letter ancestral title the Condesce (/ˈkɒn.dɛs/ kon-dess), is the ancestor of Feferi Peixes and the empress of Alternia during and before the events of Hivebent, as well as during the lifespans of the trolls' ancestors.

Biography[edit | edit source]

As the Alternian Empress[edit | edit source]

She was responsible for banishing adult trolls from Alternia after the rebellion of the Summoner, apparently to diminish the risk of rebellions. It is also noted that she has an extensive lifespan and contact to a deep undul8ing monstrosity which is later confirmed to be her and Feferi's current/future Lusus, Gl'bgolyb, for whom she competed over with other prospective heiresses that shared her blood color.

She possessed a mental connection to Gl'bgolyb that allowed her to curb the power of the Vast Glub. The farther away she was, the weaker her connection with Gl'bgolyb would be, which weakened her ability to prevent the Vast Glub and at the same time swayed Gl'bgolyb's allegiance towards Feferi.

Her longevity allowed her to live up to and beyond the time of the Reckoning, and she possessed the ability to give others the gift of sharing a lifespan as long as hers with a "touch" (a possible reference to the healing "Royal Touch" or "King's Touch" accredited to medieval and later European monarchs, or, more probably, a link with Feferi's role as the Witch of Life or the Condesce's pre-scratch role as the Thief of Life).

She survived both the Reckoning (due to her absence from Alternia) and the Vast Glub (due to her blood color) and traveled back to Alternia arriving 612 solar sweeps after the Reckoning. Upon her arrival she found her planet in ruins and her race practically extinct, ending her long reign over Alternia, but she would be offered a new purpose.

As English's Servant[edit | edit source]

The battle between the Handmaid and the Condesce.

She was chosen to replace the Handmaid as Lord English​'s servant, becoming his "emissary" to the places he is unable to reach himself. In order to do so, she had to kill the adult Handmaid, who had been waiting for this ever since she started to serve English.

She works under the pseudonym Betty Crocker (similar to Doc Scratch and Lord English). On post-scratch Earth the Betty Crocker logo is rebrandedHS.svg to the Condesce's Imperial Cypher, practically confirming Betty Crocker's identity as the Condesce.

It should also be noted that Jane, as the "heiress apparent to a baked goods empire", is first introduced on "2x3prong day", which presumably relates to the Condesce's strife specibus.

On pre-scratch Earth[edit | edit source]

Nanna heavily implies the pre-scratch identity of Betty Crocker was the Condesce as well. It is unclear how the Condesce managed to be in both the post- and the pre-scratch universe and if any duplication was involved or if she merely was able to travel from one to the other. Nanna states that she one day simply disappeared from pre-scratch Earth. Before that she raised Nanna and Grandpa after the death of her husband Colonel Sassacre.

On post-scratch Earth[edit | edit source]

During her time as Betty Crocker, in the post-scratch universe, she raised Jake's grandma and Jane's grandpa. She was especially cruel to them, even rumored to have gone so far as to murder their pet dog. At some point, Grandma left to go on adventures while Poppop remained, growing up to be a comedian. This mirrors the pre-scratch universe, where Nanna stayed behind while Grandpa left. Jake's Grandma started her own company as a rival to Crockercorp. To remind and instill the Condesce of her greatest fear, her master, Grandma took on the surname English, and created all sorts of inventions emulating Lord English himself. In Grandma's rebellion, however, the Condesce eventually confronted Grandma and killed her for her insubordination. Little is known of the conflict, except that Grandma was wounded by the Condesce's trident and that Grandma was able to get away, only to die from her wounds before reaching home. The Condesce also destroyed Grandma's and Jake's house immediately after Jake discovered the corpse of his grandmother. Prior to the events of 2x3prong day, the Condesce hid on Earth between 50–100 years, secretly building up her Crockercorp empire and setting up the planet in preparation for her conquest, the start of which is seen hereHS.svg.Once she takes over, she begins establishing a variety of seemingly random and nonsensical laws such as humans reproducing through donating their genetic material to drones or artificially changing the color of humans' blood to establish a blood caste system. This is seemingly done to restore the conditions of her rule in Alternia. Though at first the Condesce wants to rebuild the troll raceHS.svg the clones she creates are psychically killed by her "pet"HS.svg, who was brought on her battleship along with a number of other lusus species. It is possible that, as she bred several of the lusii in secret for a long time, she may have done so using some form of ectobiology (as she likely did with the trolls and humans). This being the case, the monstrosity she controls may be a clone of the original Gl'bgolyb, as it apparently has many of its characteristics and powers.

The Condesce, about to kill post-scratch Rose and Dave.

The Condesce gradually floods the world through melting of the ice caps and somehow brings Carapacians to Earth, likely through the powers of her master. Over time she also hones the psychic skills of certain members of her lost troll society for herself, demonstrating specifically the symbols of Vriska, TavrosHS.svg, Sollux, and AradiaHS.svg, which can explain her easy conquest of post-scratch Derse. She also has control of post-scratch Earth's first guardian, making her especially formidable.

As the Queen of Derse[edit | edit source]

Derse is under new management.

She replaces the Black Queen in the post-scratch kids' session as evidenced by this FlashHS.svg when she directs the Draconian Dignitary to investigate Dirk Strider's dream self's activity. Her hand is also shown glowing similar to the Handmaid, probably due to the influence of her master. It also appears she is in possession of the Queen's Ring and may have killed her for it. The ring, however, lacks the orbs fourfold, matching Derse's lack of spires to receive prototyping data.

And all the fandom said NO!

After taking over Derse offscreen she is seen interacting with the Draconian Dignitary (to whom she lends the ring) and controlling GCat. GCat teleports Roxy to her later in the B2 Kids' session, Roxy becoming her newest prisoner. Later she intervenes a Serious Business conversation involving the Dignitary and Dad Crocker about hats.

She later shows up in her flagship above Derse and shoots Psionic blast of energy from her eyes at its moon, destroying it and making Dirk and Roxy ascend. When Jade arrives the session, she uses both her ability to commune with animals and to manipulate people in order to take control of her. She then makes Jade teleport the tiaratop onto Jane's head, also placing under her control. They send Dirk into the Furthest Ring and capture Roxy and Jake to her.

While Jade interrogates Roxy it is revealed the Condesce has captured her with the intention of having her materialize a new Matriorb through the powers of Void. She seeks to plant the new orb on a planet far from Lord English's reach, so that she may restart the troll race out of harm's way. Whether she truly cares about her race or simply wants something to tyrannically rule over again is unclear.

Game Over Timeline[edit | edit source]

She later appears on the scene of very concentrated dramatic tension on LOFAF, where Aranea had been stirring up trouble. The Condesce fires a psiioniic blast over a large portion of the planet's surface where the scattered fight was taking place, killing Kanaya in the process. Aranea, enraged at the destruction of her plans, control dead Damaras to launch LOLAR at LOFAF in an attempt to kill her. The Condesce jumps out of the way, but her ship is destroyed. Aranea tries once more, this time with LOCAH, but the Condesce blocks with LOHAC. While Aranea deals with an attack from Terezi the Condesce fields a similar assault from Rose. She throws her 2x3dent at Rose, impaling her in the chest. After retrieving her weapon, she fires a psiioniic blast in Rose's direction, who only narrowly avoids the blast, saved by Roxy. She then faces Aranea again, grabbing her by the throat, flicks the Ring of Life off her finger, and immediately snaps her neck. She then throws Aranea into the nearby wall of fire who dies a Just death.

New Timeline[edit | edit source]

In this timeline Vriska is present on the meteor, a factor that the Condesce had not anticipated. She puts Jade to sleep before she can teleport the others away.

The Condesce is regarded as a high priority target by Vriska, and a team of John, Rose, Roxy and Kanaya volunteers to deal with her. They battle the Condesce on Derse, with interventions from Dad Crocker, Jane, Nannasprite and Jasprosesprite^2. The Condesce eventually overpowers the kids but is stealth stabbed by Roxy, losing blood and apparently dying.

Personality[edit | edit source]

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While she initially appears as a dignified sinister ruler, the little of her personality that has been revealed is surprisingly lax. She speaks in a very informal manner like her pre-scratch self and is quite fond of clowns and glitter. DD also implies that she has a genuine interest in cooking and baking. She also is, like any true queenHS.svg, quite vain. While she is generally considered an antagonist she does have an interest in the defeat of her master, Lord English, to the point where she attempts to collaborate with the B2 kids. Her ruthlessness, however, is not to be underestimated.

Relationships[edit | edit source]

The Condesce was the object of Dualscar's flushed ambitions, though it would seem that she did not reciprocate. On Earth, she ended up entering a (presumably flushed) relationship with Colonel Sassacre.

Although she is Lord English's servant, she appears to hate him with a passion.

Trivia[edit | edit source]

  • The troll writing on her battleship says "Battleship Condescension", which has the same initials as Betty Crocker.
  • The shortened form of her title, "Condesce," could be a pun on the real title on Contessa, which is what Italian Countesses are called.
    • This choice could also be related to the stereotypical Italian-American affectations used by the Condesce, Meenah, Eridan, and to some extent, Cronus.
  • Nannasprite referred to Betty Crocker as baroness, which matches the other eight-letter titles of the ancestors.
    • Dirk later onHS.svg also referred the Condesce as the Baroness.
  • Mindfang and the Draconian Dignitary both call her a witch. Feferi's mythological role is the Witch of Life, while Betty Crocker is also commonly referred to in-universe as the "Batterwitch".
    • The Condesce seems to have some sort of connection with the Witch class; as she has had some kind of relationship with every known Witch player; Damara's post-scratch self, the Handmaid, was killed by the Condesce; Jade was under her control for a short time up until her death; and her descendant and Heiress, Feferi, was the Witch of Life.
    • In part one of Openbound, Meenah even calls her a waterbitch - in addition to being quite accurate, it's also a near-spoonerism of "batterwitch".
  • It is speculatedHS.svg that the source of her powers is due to the torturous experimentations on the remaining humans and animals left on earth to unlock all of her psychic alien potential or so to speak.
  • "Glorious Monarch" is a title of the Black Queen (whom the Condesce replaced), which so happens to start with the same letters as "General Mills".
  • Jake refersHS.svg to her as sea hitler and FISH HITLER. Likewise, Roxy callsHS.svg her SNORKELBITCH MEGAHITLER.
  • While communicating viaHS.svg Serious Business she speaks similarly to Meenah. This could possibly mean that all post-scratch ancestors talked like their pre-scratch selves (as Aranea and Mindfang do, and Jane and Nanna do, more or less) or is just coincidence with the Condesce.
  • It's shown hereHS.svg that the mind-controlled Jane and Jade, while still acting with the best interests of the Condesce in mind, are more than just puppets for her and have at least some measure of autonomy.
  • The Condesce's giant hairdo is reminiscent of Gl'bgolyb's tentacles.
  • The Condesce is shown as a black silhouette, just as every other Troll Ancestor is. This is a stylistic art choice and does not reflect her literal appearance.
  • She shares some parallels with the pre-scratch "main" villian; both killed a guardian of a Strider and were defeated by their kid's swords.
    • As Vriska got time-traveling gear in the post-scratch timeline, she enabled both Jack and the Condesce's ascension to try defeating them later.
    • Both overthrew a Black Queen and took their rings as well.


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Kids
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Post-scratch
Kids
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JaneLogo.png Jane Crocker RoxyLogo.png Roxy Lalonde DirkLogo.png Dirk Strider JakeLogo.png Jake English
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Post-scratch
Trolls
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(pre-scratch)
Dirk Strider
(pre-scratch)
Becquerel
God Cat Rose Lalonde
(post-scratch)
Dave Strider
(post-scratch)
Brobot
Supporting
Characters
Jane Egbert Jaspers Lil Cal Jake Harley
John Crocker Mutie Lil Hal Jade English
Sprites
Nannasprite Jaspersprite Calsprite
Davesprite
Jadesprite
Tavrisprite
Gcatavrosprite
Fefetasprite
Jasprosesprite^2
Arquiusprite Erisolsprite
Davepetasprite^2
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Exiles
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Midnight Crew
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The Felt
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Underlings
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Pesterquest
The Player Mspa icon.png MSPA Reader
Pesterable Homestuck characters
Volume 1 JohnLogo.svg John Egbert
Volume 2 RoseLogo.svg Rose Lalonde
Volume 3 DaveLogo.png Dave Strider
Volume 4 JadeLogo.png Jade Harley
Volume 5 Cancer.svg Karkat VantasVirgo.svg Kanaya Maryam
Volume 6 Capricorn.svg Gamzee MakaraScorpio.svg Vriska Serket
Volume 7 Sagittarius.svg Equius ZahhakLibra.svg Terezi Pyrope
Volume 8 Taurus.svg Tavros NitramAries.svg Aradia Megido
Volume 9 Leo.svg Nepeta LeijonGemini.svg Sollux Captor
Volume 10 Aquarius.svg Eridan AmporaPisces.svg Feferi Peixes
Volume 11 JaneLogo.png Jane Crocker
Volume 12 JakeLogo.png Jake English
Volume 13 RoxyLogo.png Roxy Lalonde
Volume 14 DirkLogo.png Dirk Strider
Supporting Characters DadRose's MomCryptid McWhiskersDave's BroBecquerelLusiiKarako PierotBoldir LamatiDoc ScratchThe CondesceBrobotRoxy's MomThe Director
Earth Locations John's houseRose's houseDave's houseJade's house (Pacific Island) • Jane's houseJake's house (Pacific Island) • Half-Harley Manor
Alternia Locations Karkat's hiveKanaya's hiveGamzee's hiveVriska's hiveOutglutDoc Scratch's TowerEquius's hiveTerezi's hiveTavros's hiveAradia's hiveNepeta's hiveSollux's hiveEridan's hiveFeferi's hive
Related Concepts HomestuckHiveswap Friendship SimulatorTrollPesterchumThe TreasureChumroll
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